I don't mind paying when you know that your money is supporting a good person and a quality wild fishery.
I hear that Fred is a good guy. =)
Now back to my original question which you would sooner dodge like a politician than answer, What exactly are the rates at Ruddocks?
Hey tinpusher, maybe you should direct that question to me since I am the one doing the bookings.
Check your PM's, that is the appropiate place for this.
Thanks for the kind words Steve Zissou. I try.
Phearless ( Fred )
Nicola Valley Outdoors
Tinpusher, I believe your assumptions for this year's rates were accurate but you'll have to contact Fred to verify that. In regards to avoiding discussion, it has nothing to do with the fact that Fred is a moderator but the fact that he is the booking agent and I would think that he is compensated somewhat for that and by bringing negative attention to Ruddock's, the booking agent's commission is indirectly affected.
Douglas Lake Ranch has proven that the supply and demand is enough that the market can sustain a pricetag of $150 per rod per day which they have been doing on Minnie and Stoney for at least 10 years now. When I was guiding at Stoney during Casting for Recovery's annual trips there, the all inclusive price at the lodge was $500 per night based on double occupancy which included access to the lake. (For those that don't know, Casting for Recovery, is a program that teaches flyfishing to groups of women recovering from breast cancer and they have an unbelievably uplifting perspective of catch and release)
I do apologize for jumping all over you thinking that you were *****ing about the price increase and please, out of respect for those associated with Ruddock's on this forum, direct any further inquiries to Fred by PM.
Ruddock's and other private lakes are topics that can be discussed but hopefully with civility and rationale.
John I will apologize as well as I initially stirred the pot. I was mid way through organizing a group of pilots who wanted to start an annual fly in fishing adventure when I found out Ruddocks raised there rates. These guys are more into flying than fishing so $75 was acceptable to them but not $150. I have heard from Fred and apparently they limit the lake to 8 anglers which is good but doesn't work for us as we are up to 11 and growing.
Another option for you that may not work for a group your size unless half want to golf and half fish but one of my favourite private lakes is just outside Barriere on Boulder Mountain Road.
Tom and Carolyn Baird operate a cattle ranch and on their ranch is Posby Lake, a naturally reproducing impoundment that hasn't been stocked since World War II. It is a small lake and the attraction is when your group books a day there, the lake is yours alone for that day and the rate is or was $40 per rod per day. No accommodations or camping though they do have a 20' trailer they rent out overnight. For the most part you will run into fish of 3-5 lbs. but there are some hogs in there as well.
Do they have an airstrip?
I've fished there a number of times this season and have fished other private lakes over the years. Most of you seem to have an aversion to pay money to fish and to each his own.
Take a look at the collection of rods, reels and flies you have, other fishing supplies, plus the boat and gas to drive to your favorite lake and suddenly $150 doesn't seem so bad.
Your parents probably said to you many times...."You get what you pay for". At Ruddocks you pay for and get wild fish that jump like crazy, bruisers that take you into the backing, 20+ fish a day with numerous fish over 24". My largest last trip was a 26 inch chrome bruiser that jumper 6 times, took me to the backing twice and gave me a nice cracked thumbnail (keep your kingers away from the reel you idiot!!) all on a 4 wt. A gorgeous setting, clear water and no crowds.
What's it worth? It's worth every penny I paid.
I'll be back over and over and over.
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