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    I don't mind paying when you know that your money is supporting a good person and a quality wild fishery.

    I hear that Fred is a good guy. =)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by johnk Click here to enlarge
    Really? You obviously aren't referring to Minnie or Stoney which in my opinion are the only two lakes that would compare.
    DLR price list did not have Stoney or Minnie Lake on it.
    http://www.douglaslake.com/Recreatio...lyFishing.html

    Now back to my original question which you would sooner dodge like a politician than answer, What exactly are the rates at Ruddocks?

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    Hey tinpusher, maybe you should direct that question to me since I am the one doing the bookings.
    Check your PM's, that is the appropiate place for this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by johnk Click here to enlarge
    Actually the rates were doubled from last year but so what? From what I know it is one guy trying to supplement his mortgage by offering quality fishing for large trout on a lake that most days you're going to have to yourself. Instead you'd rather go to DLR that charges the same rod per day rate or more and has for the last few years. So go and enjoy yourself but keep in mind by complaining about the rate at Ruddock's on an Internet forum is going to affect their business and I don't believe they will miss yours. Personally, if I were going to put out that much coin to fish pay lakes I would choose the one that offers solitude and a wilderness experience that combined with quality fishing and an ambience that doesn't reflect a small city.
    I don't recall any complaining in my comment. I simply pointed out the rates increased to an amount I was not willing to pay. Is a forum a place to discuss this? Absolutely! Do we talk about the latest rod, reel or line and is it worth buying? Of course we do. Do we avoid discussing a product's merits honestly because someone involved it it's marketing is a moderator on this forum? I don't think so.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinpusher Click here to enlarge
    I don't recall any complaining in my comment. I simply pointed out the rates increased to an amount I was not willing to pay. Is a forum a place to discuss this? Absolutely! Do we talk about the latest rod, reel or line and is it worth buying? Of course we do. Do we avoid discussing a product's merits honestly because someone involved it it's marketing is a moderator on this forum? I don't think so.
    I accept full responsibility for letting this get blown out of proportion and as I utilize my 20/20 hindsight I realize I shouldn't have said anything.

    Tinpusher, I believe your assumptions for this year's rates were accurate but you'll have to contact Fred to verify that. In regards to avoiding discussion, it has nothing to do with the fact that Fred is a moderator but the fact that he is the booking agent and I would think that he is compensated somewhat for that and by bringing negative attention to Ruddock's, the booking agent's commission is indirectly affected.

    Douglas Lake Ranch has proven that the supply and demand is enough that the market can sustain a pricetag of $150 per rod per day which they have been doing on Minnie and Stoney for at least 10 years now. When I was guiding at Stoney during Casting for Recovery's annual trips there, the all inclusive price at the lodge was $500 per night based on double occupancy which included access to the lake. (For those that don't know, Casting for Recovery, is a program that teaches flyfishing to groups of women recovering from breast cancer and they have an unbelievably uplifting perspective of catch and release)

    I do apologize for jumping all over you thinking that you were *****ing about the price increase and please, out of respect for those associated with Ruddock's on this forum, direct any further inquiries to Fred by PM.

    Ruddock's and other private lakes are topics that can be discussed but hopefully with civility and rationale.

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    John I will apologize as well as I initially stirred the pot. I was mid way through organizing a group of pilots who wanted to start an annual fly in fishing adventure when I found out Ruddocks raised there rates. These guys are more into flying than fishing so $75 was acceptable to them but not $150. I have heard from Fred and apparently they limit the lake to 8 anglers which is good but doesn't work for us as we are up to 11 and growing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinpusher Click here to enlarge
    John I will apologize as well as I initially stirred the pot. I was mid way through organizing a group of pilots who wanted to start an annual fly in fishing adventure when I found out Ruddocks raised there rates. These guys are more into flying than fishing so $75 was acceptable to them but not $150. I have heard from Fred and apparently they limit the lake to 8 anglers which is good but doesn't work for us as we are up to 11 and growing.
    Tinpusher,
    Another option for you that may not work for a group your size unless half want to golf and half fish but one of my favourite private lakes is just outside Barriere on Boulder Mountain Road.

    Tom and Carolyn Baird operate a cattle ranch and on their ranch is Posby Lake, a naturally reproducing impoundment that hasn't been stocked since World War II. It is a small lake and the attraction is when your group books a day there, the lake is yours alone for that day and the rate is or was $40 per rod per day. No accommodations or camping though they do have a 20' trailer they rent out overnight. For the most part you will run into fish of 3-5 lbs. but there are some hogs in there as well.

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    Do they have an airstrip?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinpusher Click here to enlarge
    Do they have an airstrip?
    No, but midweek the highway's not that busy!

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    I've fished there a number of times this season and have fished other private lakes over the years. Most of you seem to have an aversion to pay money to fish and to each his own.

    Take a look at the collection of rods, reels and flies you have, other fishing supplies, plus the boat and gas to drive to your favorite lake and suddenly $150 doesn't seem so bad.

    Your parents probably said to you many times...."You get what you pay for". At Ruddocks you pay for and get wild fish that jump like crazy, bruisers that take you into the backing, 20+ fish a day with numerous fish over 24". My largest last trip was a 26 inch chrome bruiser that jumper 6 times, took me to the backing twice and gave me a nice cracked thumbnail (keep your kingers away from the reel you idiot!!) all on a 4 wt. A gorgeous setting, clear water and no crowds.

    What's it worth? It's worth every penny I paid.

    I'll be back over and over and over.

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