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    Default River pollutants in Chilliwack Effects everyone.

    Sent out on Oct 12/07
    I write with great concern for the well being of our Fraser Valley streams and creek systems. It started last Tuesday night (Oct. 9) when my wife drove out of the driveway onto Chilliwack River Rd. and smelt a egg odor. On Wednesday Oct. 10 morning I smelt this odor at 6am; I called 911 and reported a possible gas leak to the fire department. I received a call saying that this was agricultural odor. I came home from work at 6 pm and looked over the bank and saw the black sludge. Flowing out of the Prairie Central Road drainage ditch is black water and the smell of methane gas! I then called 911 and reported to the fire department that they have a larger issue then an agricultural odor! I received a call around 8:30 pm from the fire department. They came out to the creek and saw the black water merging into the clear water of the Chilliwack River. They were concerned enough to crawl into the ditch with me and take a sample of the polluted water. The water sample was black to the point that you could not see through the glass! The fireman took the sample to get tested. Today, Thursday Oct. 11, my wife took these photos of the creek pollutants and I called the Illegal Dumping Hot Line to report the possible manure dumping. I also called City Works and reported this concern and was told that they found no issues the previous night, according to the report they received from the fire department. City Works did come to the site today, searched all the sewer lines and apparently found no "issues with there sewer lines". ?????? These pictures show the issue in my opinion! After my mother and my wife called the city hall and reported this 3 times today, finally a man from the city came out to look over the bank. He looked at the pollutants and proceeded to make calls on his cell phone, with a concerned look on his face. He stated, "This doesn't smell like manure!". I hear that there is a 200 psi sewer line that runs down Prairie Central Rd. This polluted drainage ditch is on the same road! Attached are pictures to prove our concerns are valid. Please take this matter seriously, for three days this "pollutant" that we were first told was nothing, though we knew better, has flowed through our streams. It needs immediate attention.
    Thank you,
    Norman
    These are new pictures to update you all on the state of the water way on Oct 13 /07


    New update! Oct 13/07

    I came home today and took additional pictures that I have attached to this mail. The City of Chilliwack said that "there is no City Sewer leak over the phone". I have had 2 Fireman, 2 City Workers,and 8 locals that all agree that when they come to the creek "this doesn't smell like manure!" The City has suggested that all there sewer lines have been checked thoroughly. I want to STRESS this is a DFO Steam that this BLACK drainage ditch is running into. This water has been running towards the FRASER RIVER for the past 4 days! I have several samples of the water and the sludge!
    I must say that I have smelt this odor before when working at a Christian Kids Camp on Gambier Island. I maintained a Rotary Sewage Treatment Plant for 5 years. The raw sewage was treated before it was pumped into the Howe Sound. I did monthly tests and have never seen solid mater in any of my test samples! This amount of solid waste is so UNACCEPTABLE in my opinion.
    I'm the 5th generation, my 3rd child will be born in 12 day making them the 6th generation on this farm land.
    This is the first time i have ever seen anything like this in my life! I have 10 members of my family that are all on WELL WATER that live within 300 yards of this polluted creek.
    The City has admitted that there is a major problem and they will continue to monitor it. But it is not there problem. They have handed the issues to the government DFO.
    I really don't care at this point who's issue it is. PLEASE STOP this flow of water from continuing into our Fraser River and my family's DRINKING WATER!!!!!
    Might I also add that there is a SALMON HATCHERY one mile up steam on the First Nations Reserve!
    I hope these pictures that I attached might shed some light on the issues and get down to an answer! ASAP!! For the creek is not about to stop flowing gallon after gallon into our water ways! Say good bye to all fish as we know it in the Lower Chilliwack River!

    Update! The City of Chilliwack have started a dye test on the sewage main Today! If it leaks the slough will turn RED. But why would they test there sewer main if they don't know what this BLACK is? So if they know it is SEWAGE it will effect my DRINKING WELL WATER! I have never been informed that if is unsafe!!!!!!!!! I just want to be informed that this will be dealt with in the best manner possible! Yet i still have NO Information on Sat Oct 13. My wife first smelt this pollution on Tues Oct. 9.
    I feel like I'm taking CRAZY PILLS.

    Please reply so I know that I have been heard.
    Thank you Norman

    I HAVE POSTED MORE PICS IN FULL SIZE ON BCFR CLICK http://www.bcfishingreports.com/foru...p?topic=4773.0


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    Hi,
    I hate to tell you this but there is no help going to come from the municipal, provincial or federal government.

    I am Canada's lay expert on the subject of runoff of contamination from urban pavement, the toxic first flush syndrome and how it effects fish stocks.

    I experienced what you are experiencing some six years ago while fishing in a waterfowl reserve in Esquimalt Lagoon, Vancouver Island and was nearly overcome when I found myself wading in what appeared to be an oil spill that stunk of rotten eggs.

    So went the route you went. I went to the municipal, provincial and federal fisheries and health departments are completely useless when it comes to persevering or protecting human health or fish stocks.

    They started talking about sewage, turbidity, sediment and being unqualified but an experienced fly fisherman it soon became apparent they were book talkers not stream walkers and had no idea what was happening to urban waters. And, worse, they really didn't care, they were state employees and they said caring beyond their job description would only get them into trouble, or at least’s that's their story.

    I discovered that the water testing protocols used to measure water quality in BC water were worse than useless as they covered up what was really happening. They knew that but published them anyway because they were told to. Millions were spent on useless fish ladders etc. Why useless, the drain poisons were such no fish could survive. But that didn’t matter they had water quality test results that showed the water was fine.

    When I reported the hard science of the matter to DFO, Prov. Gov. I got told one thing on record and another off the record.

    What I got told on record that no matter what proof I had there could be no problem. What I got told off record was that it was worth the individuals career to acknowledge officially the truth of the matter.

    This has nothing to do with the politicians. I have been right up to cabinet on this issue and this is strictly to due with the deputy minister level down, the bureaucrats.

    So, I started looking at the volumes, concentration, speed etc. of hydrocarbons (oil) phosphate, nitrate, heavy metals and known carcinogens are flushed of the streets, through the storm drains and into our water table and local waters and how it interacted with human, flora and fauna. The answers terrified me.

    The whole world is running around screaming like chicken little that the sky is falling due to carbon gas in the atmosphere and nobody has ever asked what about where all the really deadly stuff that occurs from burning fossil fuel and comes out of the tail pipe goes!


    In Victoria, 200 acres of pavement, in a special designed centrifugal trap collected seven and half tons in a little of a year of lethal toxins. Toxins so hazardous they have to be shipped over to you guys on the mainland to disposed of at hazardous waste sight. Be careful that could be a field in Chilliwack.


    In a single 'flush' of the GVRD paved area drains more toxins enter the Fraser River from the thousands of storm drains than the entire volume of all industrial accidental spills of contamination NORTH AMERICA wide annually.

    Suck on that stat for a few minutes and you will perhaps look at mall parking lots a little differently.

    Global warming, maybe. Global poisoning, absolutely, and if you know that there is 400 cities world wide with a million plus cars in them, add up the paved area, calculate the now proven average of two tons of toxins from urban pavement per annum and you will soon reach the conclusion the worlds ocean are already poisoned and the effects becoming more obvious everyday.

    And, yet those we pay to pay attention to such matters don't even know its happening!

    (Storm drain settlement tanks won't remove the toxins. They make it worse)



    The reason breast cancer clusters occur down stream has escaped their notice despite qualified doctors doing their best to point it out. (The Canadian Breast Cancer Association has never even responded such information.)

    I then looked at salmon, steelhead and what impact it has on them.

    The record makes it clear. Eg. When millions of spawning salmon fair to appear in the Fraser if you go back through the weather record the reason is obvious. Rain washed the streets of the GRVD, thousands of storm drains discharged hundreds of tons of toxins into the waters full of smolts. Want to see the proof that has finally come to light, read this.

    http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070127/bob10.asp


    Once juveniles are exposed it wipes out their GPS and they can't find their way home to spawn. Period.

    None of this speculation. Its all hard science now, every where but in the most environmental backwards country in the Western word, Canada.

    So, I got so pissed off and took the data to the US and there was an immediate reaction. They understand the cost of millions of missing salmon and their private health business the cost of cancer treatment. The EPA has already drafted new standards and many cities taking up the matter themselves. See http://www.mbnep.org/volunteer/firstflush.php

    Here in Victoria, we have put a hard core science team together and we are testing on our own and will publish the results to demonstrate how dangerous our water is to us and fish. Government officials are freaked because the results are already demonstrating they have no only wasted all or time and money in health and fisheries but they have put us all at a great risk.

    The Capital Regional District of Victoria having been informed that the largest source of lead and zinc in the environment is from roofs, commercial and residential still went ahead and on the radio promoted used rain water collected from roof tops for domestic roofs. Be very careful. You have to think for yourself, protect yourself.

    So the only thing I can assure you of is that the government water testing protocols and methods of testing are useless, even dangerous because they do not tell you what is actually happening to your water.

    Do your own testing and have it tested hydrocarbons, heavy metals, phosphate, nitrates PUH's and chemicals. The urban water table is polluted, its just a question of how much.

    Take your water samples after it rains. There is a syndrome called 'First flush' where tons of the grease and grime from the roads and parking lots in your areas will be washed into the water table and local water ways in just a few hours after it starts raining. (You know that greasy feeling you experience when driving after it has been dry for a period of time and then it rains. That's what we are taking about. Take a swab of that stuff and put it on a cut on lad rat! It dies.


    In Victoria they just spent a ten million dollars cleaning up toxic dump and they took it with the Prov. Govs written permission and dumped in a gravel pit a few feet from the tributary to the Cowichan and residential housing.

    The greatest single danger to Canadians when it comes to environment and health is not so much the fossil fuels emissions and run off which we can do something about but the government workers bureaucracy which we can not. They will, intentional kill more of us, than any external enemy.

    If you are not up close and looking at it is hard to believe but the proof of that matter is right before your eyes and in your case, your nose!

    Take care and get an on line reverse osmosis filter system between you and the source of your water. Bathing in these contaminated waters can be worse than drinking it in some cases.

    Take it very seriously. And, understand that you are own your own when it comes to safe water.

    Tight lines,
    Scouter

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    18 Days since we first detected the POLLUTANT in the river?

    Still no answers!! Still have been advised not to drink water till we have answers from the ditch testing!!!! Still no answers!!

    The rain has cleaned the sludge water down stream and into the Fraser now! There was no effort to clean up the mess at all.
    Environment Canada has taken samples of the ditch and our well water. The lab called on Last Tue and told me that there was less that 1 colony of coliform in our drinking water per 100 ml. I asked him if I could drink my water now? He said that he could not say! If there was a chemical in the river then it could be in my water. They only tested for Fecal Coliform and not for things like arsonick or lead and who knows what is in high levels of Cow manure?
    So I know the damage has been done. But now what???

    The fact that the City will not put out a boil water advisory in the Lower Chilliwack River area for people on wells is crazy!!!!!!!! The CO said that boiling water only works for Biological and not Chemical pollutants.The City would not want to advise a boil water advisory if it was a chemical in the water. SO LETS WAIT FOR TEST SAMPLES !!!! I feel like im taking CARZY PILLS again.
    So does someone have an answer to my Question??? What was it in the DITCH?
    1st. If it was Chemical this should have been cleaned up and now it has what effect on everything??? If it is Chemical why do we not know 9 days after the test sample was taken???
    2nd. Was it Human Waste and there was a septic truck that dumped out a load. Why after 9 days do we knot have any sample results? The city has stated to a reporter that it might take months and even years till this is public knowledge. This will not do for me! Sad Angry Angry

    I have contacted the Fraser Heath and they are going to advise me on the next steps to testing my well. I will have to do my own water testing and while I'm at it, maybe i could get my ditch samples tested at the same time.

    This was printed in the last Fri. Progress by the Editor.
    I think that this is getting a little closer to what I want to see in the paper.

    http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_va.../10821941.html

    I will keep you all up to date.
    P.S. I had a Baby GIRL on Wed. Another <"((((<ing buddy!

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