small scuds for sea cutts?

**flyslinger** · February 7th, 2009, 04:08 AM

I was out the last couple times for cutts in fulford where I had been consistantly getting them the past month or two.I tried my usual mickey finn and black woolybugger,but the fish wouldn't hit.I then tried some other minnow patterns without success.There was only one cutty jumping and I was wondering where his buddies were.When I was getting ready to leave,I rinsed my reel off in the creek that comes out there and noticed a couple stomachs there.Some idiot had killed them.When I checked the stomachs for content,it looked as though they were eating small olive and grey scuds similar to the ones you find in interior lakes.I was wondering if anyone had tried using lake pattern cuds for sea cutts?I posted a big sign stating that all sea cutts and the imature salmon must be released.I HATE it when poachers ruin a special and fragile area.

**SalaR** · February 7th, 2009, 08:49 AM

USed Rubber leg Stones off the beach last summer with a bit of success...although the Bull heads also like them!
C

**phearless** · February 7th, 2009, 10:22 PM

In 1964 Roddy Haig-Brown came up with the Asellus pattern for sea runs.
I can't find a pic for it right now.
My library is in rough tote right now.
I believe it is for those little sandhopper type crustaceans or? ffff help me out here. Amphipod?
Anyway they are in the water as well and cutties love them.

**flyfishforfun** · February 8th, 2009, 09:23 PM

I think that Asellus is a type of Isopod- commonly known as water slaters, as they are related to slaters you see under rotting wood. Amphipods are what we get in lakes- Gammarus, scuds etc. as well as sand fleas. Amphipods are normally more laterally compressed- they are more skinny and deep than isopods.

I read about Asellus recently in a Haig Brown book- i'm pretty sure it was Fisherman's Fall. Makes sense, as i think it first came to print in 1964. The other type he referred to was Mysid, which is another group altogether. They look similar to shrimp.

We can categorize freshwater invertebrates relatively quickly. However, when you get into the marine environment, the diversity explodes and there are WAY more types out there.

**phearless** · February 8th, 2009, 10:01 PM

Thanks ffff.
I was sort of on the right track.
Anyway, tie some the cutties like them.
Roddy says so, so it must be so.
So there

**Tony** · March 5th, 2009, 06:18 AM

OK OK I'm from WA. ( please don't hurt me) and this is my first post on your forums, I enjoy reading about your fishing up there and I'm always looking for more info on fishing thats why I joined. Down here the fishing for searuns is going pretty good I've had alot of success all through Feb. and the trend is still going strong, yesterday I managed to land a bunch of them using a small scud type pattern that I tied to match some little creatures I found on the beach in a can as the tide went out, heres the pattern,
Hook: kobe SS #10
tail: sparse olive rabbit guard hairs
body: olive rabbit and antron mixed with olive hackle
palmered trim the top
shellback: olive scudback pulled over and ribbed with olive
thread
give it a try I would think it would probably work for you as well as it did for me, I fished it on an outgoing tide over some flats where the cutts were feeding casting to feeding fish with a slow retrieve consisting of short jerky strips.
tony

**phearless** · March 5th, 2009, 07:59 AM

Thanks Tony.
And welcome to FFBC.
It is folks like you that make this such a great place.
Great info, that will bolster the confidence of a few up here for sure.

**SalaR** · March 5th, 2009, 08:45 AM

Hi Tony...Welcome and we won't hurt you...
That is a good pattern you have there....here on Vancouver Island we have been using a pattern similar to that for Coho in the fall,I don't think enough fly fishers off the beaches wonder enough through their patterns ...a Coho Bugger is often referred to as a Kelp Flea!! or scud...
Interesting
C