Stupid effn doublespey!!

[newsteelyman]

Was down at the river practicing my double spey and all I can say is WTF! I just can't seem to get this cast down. here is the scenerio:
- river right, no wind, right hand up
-on the dangle, strip in to tighten line,
-lift and fulcrum to set anchor with nail not about 15 feet out and 5 feet down stream of my right shoulder, pause for 1 or 2 seconds,
-then sweep rod in front of me, forming a nice v loop and accelerate into the forward cast at about 180 degrees oppossite my back cast
- line goes out in very wide loop and leader/tip piles onto each other.
I have watched dec hogan's DVD, Rio's DVD and read Al Buhr's book, but I just can't get it to work.

My circle c cast ain't bad on river right or left, right or left hand up and on river left my double is ok if i use the left hand up.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks guys,
Brian

[SalaR]

More importantly...what line/rod were you using?
The double spey is actually a very forgiving cast... make sure you have the sweet spot located in the correct location,,,also, to many casters load the line upon the pick-up too far away from them,this results in terrible loops and collapsing lines...try to bring your rod directly up ,lifting the rod only and a slight kick to postiion your fly /anchor in a good position...the line will be about 2 feet away from your being in this case ...the most ideal location. Some of the DVD's show you positioning the line too far away from you and this results in large swinging loops with no speed.
C

[newsteelyman]

Hi C, I think you are correct, cause sometimes when I put the fly fairly close, I find myself "ducking" out of the way but making a good cast. I was using a delta 8/9 but changed half way through my session to a NW skagit 8/9. My rod may be of some concern too, but I am not sure 'cause I do ok on the other casts. It is a Cortland endurance #8-12'-6" with a ffairly fast action. It is soon to be replaced with an echo classic 13'-6" #8. but in the mean time, I gotta go with what I got.
thanx again for your input,
Brian

[_HOOK_]

are you remembering the "high stop" because i was having troubles one day because i hadnt cast in awhile and when someone reminded me my casting has been fine and getting even better. Now i can do the double spey either direction and either hand up so now im starting to practice the Snake Roll and the Snap T and of course their reverse counter parts :doh: Ugh so many casts

You will really enjoy the Echo classic buddy I fish an Echo classic 9140 and its a pretty sweet stick. So far only one coho on it but looking to really break it on steelies this year

[SalaR]

Both those lines will cast different...One of the greatest tips I can offer newcasters is to get down pat the speed we call the "White Mouse"...this speed will create the lift needed to get any line off the water,create great habits for us and we can both see and hear this water/line transition. By getting the line close to you during the Double Spey ,you are setting yourself up for a safe transition,even if you screw it up the loop is typically away from us. Make sure that you position your rod once you have created the d/v loop no more than 1 o:clock off the shoulder,and try to come up to your forward stroke...it's much safer and more natural. Keeping the fly away from the head is always a good thing. If your rod comes too far behind ,it means several things...likely the power stroke was too vast,a White Rat,making to rod tipcontinue past 1 o:clock and bringing the line too far back and causing it to hit us in the back of the head or worse! Less is more in Spey Casts!
C

[stinky]

In regards to having to DUCK the line this happened to myself a few times. I think what caused this was the the rod tip was was not held straight up and down but rather on a angle leaning towards myself just before shooting the line forward, I made a concious effort to ensure the the rod did not "Lean" towards myself and have not had any further episodes of hitting myself in the back.

cheers